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The Death of Livi Talbot (Extended Explanation)

For folks still hitting this page 3+ years later: I still have no ETA on the final book. It’s a time massive commitment to research and write, which means time away from other paid work and other writing commitments. Finding time and money for that, atop the years of stress from this series (I have a panic attack even trying to reread the earlier books to remember them as every shitty thing a reader ever said to me just enters my head when I do) means I have not written the seventh. I have absolutely no idea when I will.

Buckle in for a long one.

This is an incredibly difficult post for me to write but I want readers to have a heads-up about the situation, and I’ve always tried to be as transparent as I can (much to the chagrin to those who think I should just shut up and write).

I warned about this when Solomon’s Seal was first published in 2016.

I said this series is on life support when piracy first started. I explained about delays. I have said over and over that I cannot continue a series that isn’t selling, especially when it is being stolen more than bought. I have had pirate after pirate hit my page set up with certain search terms for them to find, so they know what is at stake.

Now here we are.

The Numbers

I hate bringing up the numbers because it’s so embarrassing and demoralizing but it feels like the only thing some folks will understand.

The latest Livi Talbot book, Yampellec’s Idol, released June 1–six months ago.

It’s been in my head since I wrote the first book in 2012.

I started writing it in 2018.

It is 150 000 words and required several drafts. We’re talking a good four to five hundred hours of my time just with the physical act of writing/revising. Not including the hours of research, reading books and academic papers (books and papers that ran me about $120, btw). Not including the time spent on the cover (just the stock ran me another $40 btw) and the interior formatting and all the administrative stuff that comes with publishing a book. The editors and proofers involved all worked on it as a favour to me–if not for that, and because I can do just about everything else myself, the book would not have been published.

In those six months, Yampellec’s Idol has made about $900. Canadian. (That’s $700 USD.)

Please really consider those numbers for a moment. Consider that to produce that book, I have to a) spend money out of pocket to begin with, b) favour it over paid work, and c) strain my physical health with long hours at the computer. Consider what your own bills cost just a month let alone for a year.

This is not even poverty wages at this point–it’s well beyond that.

I write because I have to–it’s the only thing I can do. But what I write and certainly what I publish comes down to money.

I’ve gotten this far, hands down, because of monthly support on Patreon. There is no question about that. It does not mean that those who buy the books and support them the traditional way don’t matter–but it means those sales alone simply cannot support the series. Look at those numbers. The bulk came in June and July, the rest petering out to a couple of books sold a month afterward. As much as I appreciate every single one of those sales–$150/month covers my hydro bill!–in another six months that’ll be down to maybe $15/month for that book since it’s still a “new” release. It’s the regular income from Patreon that has allowed me to keep writing these books because that money buys me time.

Factoring theft into it now? Work from nearly ten years of my life being copied and distributed without my consent, while I live in poverty and these are my sales numbers? Nope.

I have made the books affordable and available everywhere I conceivably can with no geographical restrictions. I run sales regularly. I gave away books at the start of the pandemic. I am super cognizant of all the excuses folks have for stealing. I have warned that there are consequences when you steal from a poor person, and that is: no more books.

Talked Off the Ledge

Last night, I was so upset I wanted to nuke my entire career and just walk away

So many writers complain about piracy and keep going anyway. And I cannot speak to them and their circumstances or how they do it.

But I…have been through things in my life. Terrible things that involved having control and autonomy forcefully taken from me. Violation of my rights sets off all kinds of sparks in my brain where I go into a panic and relive all kinds of things and the feeling of being trapped. Therefore my first instinct is to grab for any control I have–like cancelling a series.

Do I need professional help for this? Probably! (But therapy? In this economy?) Even if I had that, it wouldn’t change the fact that sales are not sustaining the writing of these books.

I pointed out, last night, “I cancelled River Wolfe over this. I cancelled Demons of Oblivion. I cancelled Elis outside of Patreon. I have done this before and never regretted it.”

“Yes,” my very tired platonic murder wife said, “but this is different. Because you have built this series with the support of all these other people at Patreon. You’ll feel different if you nuke the series this time because of what they’ve invested. But I still support you if you’d rather sell panties on the internet instead.”

She is not wrong.

So no, I am not here today to push the nuclear button and blow everything up.

But I have very limited paths forward at this point and there are choices to be made.

A Different Set of Numbers

I have been rationing groceries all month.

That is probably not as dire as it sounds because, due to pandemic anxiety, I have like ten boxes of oatmeal and other supplies. I’m not starving, I just have to get creative with certain meals being out of various supplies (tonight I’m trying vegan mac and cheese with a tin of coconut milk).

Shawn needs some teeth out. His poor little mouth is red and enflamed, and while he’s still eating, we’ve had to stop brushing his teeth because he’s sore. His surgery is next month and the worst-case scenario quote is $1500. Every extra penny I get has been going there which means I don’t get groceries, I don’t get to rent a movie, I don’t get takeout, I can’t do my Xmas shopping until next month when I’m sure Shawn is paid for. I’m running various sales in the hopes someone will be interested because I’m still short, and though I’m sure I’ll make it up through work in the next four weeks, we might need to see the vet sooner with an eye infection he’s developed.

This is not unusual for me. This is how I live day to day. One expense means I can’t afford to eat. When I’m sick and bedridden–as I was for much of this year–I can barely get enough work done to keep a roof over my head.

I cannot pay my vet in screenshots of all the illegal downloads of my books.

The End Is Nigh (with caveats)

Charon’s Gold, Livi 6, went up for preorder last month. Those numbers are…embarrassingly low. I know a lot of folks don’t know it’s scheduled yet, and others will wait until next year to preorder, but I also know plenty were upset about Yampellec’s Idol (*cough*thebooksaren’tromancesFFS*cough*) so there’s going to be a big dip in readers from 5 to 6. That’s just a fact: as low as YI’s sales numbers are, CG’s are going to be even lower by the time it comes out.

This is to say I was already considering where I can end this series when all this went down last night.

A big part of me wants to just…walk away right now. Take my toys and go home. Cancel Charon’s Gold and be done.

But last night I spent a lot of time rereading old messages from readers who reached out about how much Livi means to them. I went through my Patreon messages. I looked at the years of support folks have given me there, investing their extra pennies monthly to buy time away from freelancing for me to write.

You have trusted me with these stories.

I have to write these books, so yes, my feelings are important here, but this isn’t just about me. There must be recognition for what these books mean to so many of you and what you’ve invested in them. I don’t want to hurt you, I don’t want to give the impression that you don’t matter. You do matter. You matter more to me than you probably will ever know.

I’m trying to balance that against what else I know is true: this series is not sustaining itself and the psychological damage from theft of my labour cannot continue.

The likelihood is that Livi #7 will be the last widely published book.

It wouldn’t be the end of the series, and it won’t have an HEA, but it doesn’t have an emotional cliffhanger the way some of the others do and I might be able to tie off some broader plot things.

I will not leave you hanging. I will ensure it’s satisfying and caps off an arc, and can be interpreted as a sort of HFN (NOT a romantic one–that was never going to be in the cards).

This is not what I want but, to be perfectly honest, I need to do this for my own health–both physical and mental.

“Widely published” is the operative word there. There are five more books after #7 that are stories I want to tell and I will have to find other ways of doing so, whether it’s Patreon only and paperback releases like Elis’s books or something else I haven’t thought of. I don’t know yet. But I’m going to take some time to figure it out. #7 doesn’t have a final title and isn’t written yet, so the very earliest you’ll see it is late 2023. I have two years to make firm plans.

tl;dr

So here’s what all this looks like:

  • Charon’s Gold (Livi 6) releases October 22 2022 as planned
  • Untitled Livi 7 releases late 2023/early 2024 (tbd–it’s not written yet) and for all intents and purposes it’ll act as the last book.
  • Livi 8-12…I figure something out, probably using them as Patreon rewards.

Here’s what I can guarantee about the end of 7:

  • it’s will work as an HFN (happily for now) for Livi as a person (NOT romantically)
  • it will not end on a cliffhanger
  • I will (hopefully) cap off one of the story arcs

Still…Maybe?

Maybe things will change?

I’m doubtful after all this time.

Livi has had five years to find an audience. Five years. That is more than a lot of series get. I don’t have money for Amazon or FB ads and I never will. I’ve had to rely entirely on word of mouth, and I know so many of you talk up the books–I appreciate that–and have helped spread the word, but… *points to numbers above* Every single year, the series picks up a few more readers than the one before, so I’ve given it a lot of time–and going on six books now–as a leap of faith.

I think I’m about to hit the ground.

There is always hope things will change. I don’t need to be a bazillionaire–I just need to pay my bills and take care of my cats. Maybe regular series readers will jump to a few thousand over the next two years. Maybe Patreon income will continue to rise. Maybe something else I write will take off and bring in more readers, although Livi was the most high-concept and commercial of my books so I don’t know about that.

I’ve added a new Patreon goal detail–at $1000/month, whatever Livi Talbot books written past the seventh will be published widely regardless of low series sales because I’ll be able to devote more days a week to writing. That is the best promise I can make right now. That might take another ten years to reach, however, so don’t rely on that.

Why do you keep talking about this?

There is basically no winning as a public person with obligations to your readers.

I can keep quiet, reach book 7, and announce then “Yeah, guys, series is over! Sorry if it feels a bit unfinished but we’re done unless you head to Patreon!” And deal with the ensuing complaints.

I can be vague and and say “Oh my health’s not great” or “sales aren’t good” and get emails for years about why the next book isn’t out on Kindle yet.

And I can be upfront and say, look, this is what’s going on.

The thing I want folks to realize is that, although my first instinct is always to nuke everything, I ultimately give this a lot of thought. I never, ever am hasty about these decisions and weigh a lot of factors. And I don’t take the obligation to, and support from, readers lightly.

This comes with a risk that I’ll piss off even more people who find me off-putting, but I opt for transparency always. This is what’s going on. This is how I feel. Do with that what you will.

Is there something I can do?

Buy the books.

Tell your friends to buy the books.

Remove the books from piracy sites.

If you find a link to illegal downloads of my books, send them to me (anonymously, if you prefer) so I can get them taken down.

Do not request other books at piracy sites.

Do not upload the books to piracy sites.

Do not tolerate theft among your friends and family.

Join Patreon if you’re so inclined.

Honestly, many of you reading this are already doing everything. This isn’t your fault. You’ve already done so much and for that I thank you.


Only Read This Next Part if You’re a Thief

For several months this year, I was fairly certain I was going to die.

I was stuck in this no man’s land of healthcare where I couldn’t get seen. My autoimmune disease relapsed and I spent the better part of the year getting worse and worse until the pain was intense enough, the daily fevers worsening, the coughing and vomiting constant, that it suggested things were getting very bad for me. I had an emergency notice on the inside of my door with my medical history and emergency contact in the event I was found unresponsive. And I am the kind of person who doesn’t got to the ER when she has a fever of 104.3F or a broken foot, so when I am scared about something, it’s pretty serious.

This is who you’re stealing from. This is what the stress YOU create does to me. This is why, when I say I have to walk away from publishing to prevent you from stealing for the sake of my health, I’m being deadly serious.

If you have ever downloaded, uploaded, or requested a book from this series–if you’ve ever come to my site looking for illegal downloads or ways to bypass Patreon’s paywall (yes, I get your search results)–you have contributed to this decision. You have killed multiple series and now you’ve done it to Livi too.

How can you purport to love books when this is what you do to the people responsible for them existing?

November 9, 2019 By Skyla Dawn Cameron 1 Comment

A (Lengthy) Word About Livi #5

Nov 21 update: the series has been cancelled prematurely.

As mentioned on the blog, it’s been a rough couple of months. Well, a rough year. Years. Decade. Life. Whatever.

But anyway, this fall also brought also brought a sudden inexplicable sales drop on all sites but Kobo, the worst it’s been in several years, right after I had a good month with Shiva’s Bow‘s release. It was baffling, honestly, and completely against the trend of this past year.

Except it also coincided with a sudden spike in piracy.

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April 7, 2017 By Skyla Dawn Cameron Leave a Comment

Wherein Livi Talbot’s on Life Support

Nov 21 Update: the series has been cancelled prematurely.

So titled because of this post. Hey, I like carrying a rough metaphor through, okay?

If you’ll indulge me for a moment, there are some things I have to get off my chest, and it may be lengthy and something I regret, but this is my page so, well, here we go–whatever, I do what I want.

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February 7, 2017 By Skyla Dawn Cameron Leave a Comment

Dive into Adventure with ODIN’S SPEAR

Livi’s back today with Odin’s Spear, available wherever books are sold: Kindle US | Kindle UK | Kindle CA | Kobo | Nook | iBookstore | Smashwords | GooglePlay | Payhip | Print

ALL’S FAIR IN SIBLING RIVALRY AND WAR.

After nearly losing her family and her life, Olivia Talbot is trying to leave the world of artifact hunting behind. But an adrenaline junkie unsuited for a 9 to 5 job can’t hide herself forever, especially when deadly operative Dale West comes knocking with off-book work for his covert organization.

It’ll be “easy”, West says—just a trip to the museum. But a deranged former soldier is seeking to reunite the pieces of Gungnir—spear of the Norse god Odin—which is capable of starting war, and this job is much bigger than anyone has let on.

Followed by the dogged son of a tabloid mogul, competing with her archaeologist older brother, and still struggling to trust West against her better judgement, Livi will venture into an ancient underwater city in the Mediterranean to stop the dawn of a new war. But the spear of a god has plans for them all, and power not even she might be able to withstand.

The previous Soundtrack Sunday features my book playlist, and yesterday I was at Mel’s with a brief guest post and excerpt for Mythological Monday. (Also still relevant: my guest post “DNA of a Hero“.)

I do not consider these books standalone at all. While each has an adventure/arc that’s complete, they’re written to be read in order. You’ll find Solomon’s Seal available all the places Odin’s Spear is as well.

Finally…

5 Spoilers about Odin’s Spear

  1. This book picks up about a week after the previous book left off, at a funeral. The emotional cliffhanger from Solomon’s Seal will carry through Odin’s Spear, and has its own arc and conclusion. I’m not interested in writing stories where characters don’t change from book to book, and this one’s no exception. Livi’s had a lot more put on her shoulders, and it shows. The fallout from the previous book, and how it affected her relationships, is also carried through.
  2. This book expands the mythology a bit more in that it raises more questions for Livi now that she knows the Pulse from four years ago wasn’t the first one. The things readers are wondering, Livi is wondering as well, and she’ll start uncovering answers. (I said START! There are many layers to go.)
  3. So something particularly awful happens. It will have far-reaching consequences throughout the next few books–you’ll know what I’m talking about when you get to it, and please remember I don’t do these things lightly (reminder: while not everything of mine requires a trigger warning, it’s a good idea to assume nothing is off the table for me as a storyteller). There’s a domino effect at play.
  4. The mythology and influences in the book come from all over the place. One thing I’d like to point out: if you’re unfamiliar with the Lycian Tombs, which are referenced in the book, head here. It’s one of those visuals that was so difficult to get through in the text–they’re stunning.
  5. Like Solomon’s Seal, I picked the artifact Livi was hunting before picking the location. I settled on the Mediterranean because of the number of viking ships that went through, and Livi’s aversion to diving. The need for wreck-diving when she’s terrified of it was chosen deliberately. I also read a lot about diving accidents while writing the book and they gave me nightmares; I will never, ever go in the water ever.
  6. Bonus spoiler: WEST PURRS.

Thank you to everyone who reads the blog and picks up the books–it means a lot to me and I am lucky to have great readers. I hope you dig this new book. I will be over here in the corner drinking merlot for breakfast.

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December 4, 2016 By Skyla Dawn Cameron Leave a Comment

Odin’s Spear e-ARC Giveaway

I still have another round of proofreading to do, which means I’ll be making the final files for Odin’s Spear Feb 7 release next month. Want to read it early? Unless you’re a Patron of Snark who gets e-ARCs, here’s your only other chance.

Review Solomon’s Seal. Anywhere. Give it five stars, give it one (although why you’d want to enter to win an ARC if you hated it is beyond me). Make it five paragraphs or five words. Doesn’t matter–reviews up a book’s ranking on stores and some advertisers want a book to have 10+ reviews before you can use their services (should I ever be so inclined), so anything works, and this little book needs all the help it can get.

What can you win?

  • e-ARC of Odin’s Spear (est. delivery: early Jan 2017)
  • signed print copy of Solomon’s Seal (est. delivery: Feb 2017)
  • signed print copy of Odin’s Spear (est. delivery: Feb 2017)
  • West (tiger) bookmark (est. delivery: Feb 2017)
  • your name used in Zheng’s Tomb (Livi #3, currently on hold but hopefully finished in a few months). Want an example? Look at Danielle, Mel, and Sparky in Oblivion.
  • probably other goodies I’ve yet to decide upon

Enter through the Rafflecopter at the bottom of this post. Also, reviews already posted still count as much as new ones do. Not every store requires you to purchase the book there, so you can post your review multiple places.

A winner will be drawn January 2nd 2017.

Solomon’s Seal is also currently on sale at Payhip if you use the coupon code 2016ISTERRIBLE, good through the end of the year.

Also until the end of the year, all Patrons of Snark (in good standing payment wise in January) will be thanked in the acknowledgements of Odin’s Spear–sort of a “this book is brought to you by” kind of thing. Still a few weeks left! I just posted the first five chapters of Odin’s Spear for patrons as well.

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Also on the Livi Talbot front, I’m offering tidbits and Easter eggs about the series on my Facebook page if you want to play along: every “like” on this post = a different factoid.

Finally, Bloodlines is on sale for 99c until the end of the year. Tell your friends! The series is now complete so it’s a great time to start without any waiting for a future book.

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I hope you enter to win Odin’s Spear–it was a difficult book that took a lot of work to polish up but I’m excited about Livi’s second outing and can’t wait for people to get to read it.
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